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		<title>Comment on Improve eyesight &#8211; and throw away your glasses by Jawaral</title>
		<link>http://gettingstronger.org/2010/07/improve-eyesight-and-throw-away-your-glasses/comment-page-1/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>Jawaral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite interesting. I had tried the Bates exercises and &quot;relaxation&quot; but got nowhere with it. And my optometrist friend said that the idea that eye muscle tension causes myopia is incorrect. Buy your point here is that the eye can actually remodel itself -- change its shaper permanently -- given sufficient stimulus to do so.  That makes sense physiologically, and the research you cite on the Rehabilitation page does appear to show just that.  

I&#039;ve started working with the plus lenses for the past 3 days and I&#039;m already seeing progress!  I&#039;m able to see objects in the mid distance definitely more sharply.  I plan to stick with this. 

Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite interesting. I had tried the Bates exercises and &#8220;relaxation&#8221; but got nowhere with it. And my optometrist friend said that the idea that eye muscle tension causes myopia is incorrect. Buy your point here is that the eye can actually remodel itself &#8212; change its shaper permanently &#8212; given sufficient stimulus to do so.  That makes sense physiologically, and the research you cite on the Rehabilitation page does appear to show just that.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started working with the plus lenses for the past 3 days and I&#8217;m already seeing progress!  I&#8217;m able to see objects in the mid distance definitely more sharply.  I plan to stick with this. </p>
<p>Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rehabilitation by Paul Bach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Bach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High tone therapy could help with muscle stimulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High tone therapy could help with muscle stimulation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stoicism by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great quote that one: “If at first you don’t succeed, then try, try again” (from Thomas H. Palmer’s Teacher’s Manual, 1840)

I also like &quot;If at first you don&#039;t succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There&#039;s no point in being a damn fool about it.&quot; by humorist W.C. Fields</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great quote that one: “If at first you don’t succeed, then try, try again” (from Thomas H. Palmer’s Teacher’s Manual, 1840)</p>
<p>I also like &#8220;If at first you don&#8217;t succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There&#8217;s no point in being a damn fool about it.&#8221; by humorist W.C. Fields</p>
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		<title>Comment on Calorie restriction and hormesis by Aaron Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://leangains.blogspot.com/ is another good example of the window-style fasting (16hr fast, 8hr eating window).

Also The Warrior Diet includes fasting every day. I did this for 3 weeks, and actually felt ok doing it - one large meal when I got home from work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://leangains.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://leangains.blogspot.com/</a> is another good example of the window-style fasting (16hr fast, 8hr eating window).</p>
<p>Also The Warrior Diet includes fasting every day. I did this for 3 weeks, and actually felt ok doing it &#8211; one large meal when I got home from work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The opponent-process theory of emotion by Sand Sock Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sand Sock Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 06:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This theory could be of big help to people who are having difficulty in controlling their addiction. I hope this theory will be well publicized to educate people with their pains and pleasures.
sa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This theory could be of big help to people who are having difficulty in controlling their addiction. I hope this theory will be well publicized to educate people with their pains and pleasures.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Stoicism by JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Stoic and someone who appreciates very much the writings of Seneca and Marcus Aurelius, I think the comments in this post are quite astute.  What I take from Stoicism is a perspective that allows me to weather the ups and downs of life with equanimity.  It keeps me from getting thrown off course by every little bother, and I&#039;m able to better appreciate everything in life as a gift.  But I do see that the Stoic focus on &quot;internal&quot; goals, as Irvine proposes, can easily lead to &quot;wimping out&quot; and placing insufficient emphasis on getting things done in the real world.  Good intentions alone are not good enough.  In addition, I think health and fitness are important -- I&#039;m an ultramarathoner.  I don&#039;t see in the classic Stoics an appreciation of the importance of taking responsibility for one&#039;s health. Of course, health is not totally within the &quot;sphere of choice&quot;, but to a large degree it is, and being in good health definitely helps in dealing with life&#039;s ups and downs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Stoic and someone who appreciates very much the writings of Seneca and Marcus Aurelius, I think the comments in this post are quite astute.  What I take from Stoicism is a perspective that allows me to weather the ups and downs of life with equanimity.  It keeps me from getting thrown off course by every little bother, and I&#8217;m able to better appreciate everything in life as a gift.  But I do see that the Stoic focus on &#8220;internal&#8221; goals, as Irvine proposes, can easily lead to &#8220;wimping out&#8221; and placing insufficient emphasis on getting things done in the real world.  Good intentions alone are not good enough.  In addition, I think health and fitness are important &#8212; I&#8217;m an ultramarathoner.  I don&#8217;t see in the classic Stoics an appreciation of the importance of taking responsibility for one&#8217;s health. Of course, health is not totally within the &#8220;sphere of choice&#8221;, but to a large degree it is, and being in good health definitely helps in dealing with life&#8217;s ups and downs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cold showers by Todd</title>
		<link>http://gettingstronger.org/2010/03/cold-showers/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, Glad to hear you are adapting well to the cold showers. That&#039;s interesting that you got &quot;brain freeze&quot;.  The same thing happened to me when I started.  My shoulders, neck and hands were also especially sensitive.  So I made a point of emphasizing those sensitive areas, and the brain freeze and discomfort have disappeared. Another interesting observation: I no longer experience the rapid breathing and elevated heart rate that I did when I started taking cold showers.  I can plunge in head first and maintain my slow breathing rate, which I take to be a sign of adaptation. 

Your 7 mile swim through the North Sea sounds bracing! Take a photo and you can post it on this site with an account of your experience, if you would like to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Glad to hear you are adapting well to the cold showers. That&#8217;s interesting that you got &#8220;brain freeze&#8221;.  The same thing happened to me when I started.  My shoulders, neck and hands were also especially sensitive.  So I made a point of emphasizing those sensitive areas, and the brain freeze and discomfort have disappeared. Another interesting observation: I no longer experience the rapid breathing and elevated heart rate that I did when I started taking cold showers.  I can plunge in head first and maintain my slow breathing rate, which I take to be a sign of adaptation. </p>
<p>Your 7 mile swim through the North Sea sounds bracing! Take a photo and you can post it on this site with an account of your experience, if you would like to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cold showers by john sanderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john sanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 10:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey...been trying the cold showers now for about two weeks......
and my body is certainly getting used to them and less shocked...tho i still get head pain (brain freeze!) when rinsing hair.....Im about to start sea swimming on the firth of forth, scotland with a view of swimming it from north berwick to fife, a distance of approx 7miles....its the north sea so pretty cold....as they say that which dosent kill you, makes you stronger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;been trying the cold showers now for about two weeks&#8230;&#8230;<br />
and my body is certainly getting used to them and less shocked&#8230;tho i still get head pain (brain freeze!) when rinsing hair&#8230;..Im about to start sea swimming on the firth of forth, scotland with a view of swimming it from north berwick to fife, a distance of approx 7miles&#8230;.its the north sea so pretty cold&#8230;.as they say that which dosent kill you, makes you stronger</p>
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		<title>Comment on The opponent-process theory of emotion by zdd</title>
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		<dc:creator>zdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 07:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote quite a bit about this theory at Seth Roberts website four years ago. I thought it was another explanation to why his approach to hunger worked.  I must not have explained it well, because the other posters were not into  it.   You can  read it under Zdd posting there.  Here is the first one:
http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=1775.msg13701#msg13701

&quot;I have been on the diet for a week and have not read the book; therefore, I feel I&#039;m more than qualified to give an alternative explanation for why the diet works.  People give evolution too much credit.  Evolution isn’t smart enough to figure out that a lot of food means you better stored up for the lean times.  I believe that mind-body organism works on simpler principles and these simple dynamics lead to all kinds of complexity.

One of the dynamics is that pain= pleasure.  Pain leads to pleasure, and pleasure leads to pain.  Early humans ate a lot of food when it was available because it was pleasurable.  After pigging out they had more hunger pain than they started with so they ate more. When they didn&#039;t have a lot of food they obviously didn&#039;t get a lot of pleasure from food, so they had less hunger pain. The best thing to do when you don&#039;t have any food is fast.

This diet appears to make fat people, like me, eat like a thin person.  Food becomes a positive reinforcer--- I&#039;m eating less and enjoying it more.

For fat people eating tends to be a negative reinforcer.  Negative reinforcers are much more pleasurable than positive reinforcers. To be pain-free is nothing, to become free of pain (hunger or emotional) is everything.  A non-eating way to reduce pain is to reduce the pleasure.

Take the flavor out of eating and you take the pleasure out of it. With low-carbohydrate diets this is what happens.  Without the pleasure of carbohydrates what&#039;s the point of eating.  With this diet oil is like methadone.  The body gets pain relief without the pleasurable high.  You can eat whatever you want as long as you don&#039;t enjoy it too much.

Some people have suggested a way to quit smoking would be to smoke cigarettes without nicotine in them to take away the pleasure.  This diet could help to stop smoking through the loss of associated oral pleasure.

The diet can be explained through Solomon&#039;s  opponent-process theory, which says all addiction is the result of an emotional pairing of pleasure and the emotional symptoms associated with withdrawal. Solomon&#039;s advice was to eat your dessert first.  It also explains why the French eat their salad at the end of the meal.
  
If there is a set point, I believe it&#039;s not a weight set point but rather a pleasure set point. When you don&#039;t reach the set point cravings start and when you go over the set point (staying too long at the fair) you get feelings of aversion. 

I doubt if the pleasure set point changes very much.  People simply switch sources of pleasure.  Stop smoking, and you start eating more.  Much of the pleasure of being on this diet comes from the pleasure of feeling in control. Once the novelty of control wears off people will have to look for other sources of pleasure or they will go back to getting pleasure from food.


As Buddha said life is pain, and because of this there will always be a compensate drive for pleasure.  Fat people tend to get their daily requirement of pleasure from food, while thin people get their pleasure from sex, exercise, and making fun of fat people.  I&#039;m looking forward to this shift in pleasure.

I believe, one of the reasons people are so reactive to this diet is that people get pissed off when you take their pleasure away from them. It&#039;s like when Hickey in The Iceman Cometh took the pleasure out of the other alcoholics drinking by confronting their stories.  No one thanked him.

One of the things this diet has going against it, is that there&#039;s not enough pain in it.  I appreciate that people on this forum try to make it more painful by going on about what kind of oil to use and the danger of brushing your teeth with flavored toothpaste.  But that&#039;s not going to make you any money in the long run.  You need to do something like start up a chain of methadone dieting centers that charge $2500 with a free yearly oil change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote quite a bit about this theory at Seth Roberts website four years ago. I thought it was another explanation to why his approach to hunger worked.  I must not have explained it well, because the other posters were not into  it.   You can  read it under Zdd posting there.  Here is the first one:<br />
<a href="http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=1775.msg13701#msg13701" rel="nofollow">http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=1775.msg13701#msg13701</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I have been on the diet for a week and have not read the book; therefore, I feel I&#8217;m more than qualified to give an alternative explanation for why the diet works.  People give evolution too much credit.  Evolution isn’t smart enough to figure out that a lot of food means you better stored up for the lean times.  I believe that mind-body organism works on simpler principles and these simple dynamics lead to all kinds of complexity.</p>
<p>One of the dynamics is that pain= pleasure.  Pain leads to pleasure, and pleasure leads to pain.  Early humans ate a lot of food when it was available because it was pleasurable.  After pigging out they had more hunger pain than they started with so they ate more. When they didn&#8217;t have a lot of food they obviously didn&#8217;t get a lot of pleasure from food, so they had less hunger pain. The best thing to do when you don&#8217;t have any food is fast.</p>
<p>This diet appears to make fat people, like me, eat like a thin person.  Food becomes a positive reinforcer&#8212; I&#8217;m eating less and enjoying it more.</p>
<p>For fat people eating tends to be a negative reinforcer.  Negative reinforcers are much more pleasurable than positive reinforcers. To be pain-free is nothing, to become free of pain (hunger or emotional) is everything.  A non-eating way to reduce pain is to reduce the pleasure.</p>
<p>Take the flavor out of eating and you take the pleasure out of it. With low-carbohydrate diets this is what happens.  Without the pleasure of carbohydrates what&#8217;s the point of eating.  With this diet oil is like methadone.  The body gets pain relief without the pleasurable high.  You can eat whatever you want as long as you don&#8217;t enjoy it too much.</p>
<p>Some people have suggested a way to quit smoking would be to smoke cigarettes without nicotine in them to take away the pleasure.  This diet could help to stop smoking through the loss of associated oral pleasure.</p>
<p>The diet can be explained through Solomon&#8217;s  opponent-process theory, which says all addiction is the result of an emotional pairing of pleasure and the emotional symptoms associated with withdrawal. Solomon&#8217;s advice was to eat your dessert first.  It also explains why the French eat their salad at the end of the meal.</p>
<p>If there is a set point, I believe it&#8217;s not a weight set point but rather a pleasure set point. When you don&#8217;t reach the set point cravings start and when you go over the set point (staying too long at the fair) you get feelings of aversion. </p>
<p>I doubt if the pleasure set point changes very much.  People simply switch sources of pleasure.  Stop smoking, and you start eating more.  Much of the pleasure of being on this diet comes from the pleasure of feeling in control. Once the novelty of control wears off people will have to look for other sources of pleasure or they will go back to getting pleasure from food.</p>
<p>As Buddha said life is pain, and because of this there will always be a compensate drive for pleasure.  Fat people tend to get their daily requirement of pleasure from food, while thin people get their pleasure from sex, exercise, and making fun of fat people.  I&#8217;m looking forward to this shift in pleasure.</p>
<p>I believe, one of the reasons people are so reactive to this diet is that people get pissed off when you take their pleasure away from them. It&#8217;s like when Hickey in The Iceman Cometh took the pleasure out of the other alcoholics drinking by confronting their stories.  No one thanked him.</p>
<p>One of the things this diet has going against it, is that there&#8217;s not enough pain in it.  I appreciate that people on this forum try to make it more painful by going on about what kind of oil to use and the danger of brushing your teeth with flavored toothpaste.  But that&#8217;s not going to make you any money in the long run.  You need to do something like start up a chain of methadone dieting centers that charge $2500 with a free yearly oil change.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The opponent-process theory of emotion by Sally H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 22:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a chocolate addiction and my experience is just as described here. The cravings get stronger with each bite, so I just cannot stop. I feel good for a short while, but then I feel awful.  Maybe I&#039;ll try just eating one bite or spacing out bites to see if that reduces the cravings and allows time to feel satisfied, without trigger the &quot;opponent process&quot; that makes me feel bad later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a chocolate addiction and my experience is just as described here. The cravings get stronger with each bite, so I just cannot stop. I feel good for a short while, but then I feel awful.  Maybe I&#8217;ll try just eating one bite or spacing out bites to see if that reduces the cravings and allows time to feel satisfied, without trigger the &#8220;opponent process&#8221; that makes me feel bad later.</p>
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